What we need to do

[holly_evolving]

Is lock Sarah Palin and the Insane Clown Posse and all their weapons into the Creationist Museum with Ben Stein and not let them out. I'll grant you, ICP will win out in the end, but she'll definitely shoot a few of them on the way down. Stein will just be crying in the corner about the days when rational people used to believe he was smart.

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[hughcasey.livejournal.com]

I didn't know that ICP were creationists.

Then again, until I saw the video for "Miracles" this weekend, I didn't know anything about them at all.

[holly-evolving.livejournal.com]

I have no idea if they are or not, but "Miracles" is anti-science. You can argue that it's comedy...but there are people out there taking it seriously. The textbook you posted from Cracked codified my reaction pretty well. So, in they go.

I mean, if we took everyone who was a Palin fan, and everyone who took ICP seriously, and everyone who took pro-wrestling seriously, and evangelical creationists...we'd have to like, wall off Missouri or something...and now it's sounding like a Carlin bit...

[wolf-nd-shadows.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I'd root for ICP to win, but largely because I don't see "Miracles" as being creationist, just very poorly done. I think their overall message is neo-Kantian or antipositivist idea that the world cannot be merely reduced down to merely its component parts, but that there is a greater connection that can be found on a qualitative level. They are not really anti-science, though it takes that appearance because they would get shot by their audience if they ever uttered the words antipositivism or neo-Kantian. It's a very deep and complex abstract idea that unfortunately has either not been sufficiently developed in their own comprehension of the idea, or has been overly watered down to make it palatable to their juggalo audience. They are definitely not fundamentalist like Sarah and Ben, because they make early references to magic in the song, concepts that would be outright heretical in any fundamentalist context, nor do they make any specific reference to any particular creative force.

But then, what do I know? I'm just Gary Busey.

[holly-evolving.livejournal.com]

*brain explodes*

[hughcasey.livejournal.com]

See, I interpreted "Miracles" differently. I saw it as saying "Don't take all of these things around you for granted... they are all miracles". I didn't get that they meant "miracle" in the religious sense, either.

As for the "Scientists lyin' and pissin' me off" line, I took that as "Don't explain the sunrise to me, let me just experience it".

Two people look at an all white picture. One sees a blank canvas. The other sees a polar bear in a snowstorm. :-)

[holly-evolving.livejournal.com]

I'm 100% for the blank canvas. I try not to talk about it around people, because I know it's a controversial stance, but on my own time, in my own space...on my own livejournal...I'm not just an atheist. I'm anti-religion.

And I think you can't fully appreciate the sunrise unless you know the science of what's happening. The universe is more beautiful to me because of how tiny we are, and how little we matter. We're not even cells; we're atoms in this infinitely large, complex organism. I think simplifying the world cheapens it.